“Ah!I don’t know him. Well, here’s your good health landlord, and prosperity to your house. Good-night.”
“Now for Mr. Breckinridge,” he continued, buttoning up his coat as we came out into the frosty air.“Remember, Watson that though we have so homely a thing as a goose at one end of this chain,we have at the other a man who will certainly get seven years’ penal servitude unless we can establish his innocence.It is possible that our inquiry may but confirm his guilt; but, in any case,we have a line of investigation which has been missed by the police,and which a singular chance has placed in our hands. Let us follow it out to the bitter end.Faces to the south, then, and quick march!”
We passed across Holborn, down Endell Street,and so through a zigzag of slums to Covent Garden Market.One of the largest stalls bore the name of Breckinridge upon it,and the proprietor a horsey-looking man,with a sharp face and trim side-whiskers was helping a boy to put up the shutters.
“Good-evening. It’s a cold night,” said Holmes.
The salesman nodded and shot a questioning glance at my companion.
“Sold out of geese, I see,” continued Holmes, pointing at the bare slabs of marble.
“Let you have five hundred to-morrow morning.”
“That’s no good.”
“Well, there are some on the stall with the gas-flare.”
“Ah, but I was recommended to you.”
“Who by?”
“The landlord of the Alpha.”
“Oh, yes; I sent him a couple of dozen.”
“Fine birds they were, too. Now where did you get them from?”
To my surprise the question provoked a burst of anger from the salesman.
“Now, then, mister,” said he, with his head cocked and his arms akimbo, “what are you driving at?Let’s have it straight, now.”
“It is straight enough. I should like to know who sold you the geese which you supplied to the Alpha. ”
“Well then, I shan’t tell you. So now!”
“Oh, it is a matter of no importance; but I don’t know why you should be so warm over such a trifle. ”
“Warm!You’d be as warm, maybe, if you were as pestered as I am.When I pay good money for a good article there should be an end of the business; but it’s ‘Where are the geese?’ and ‘Who did you sell the geese to?’ and ‘What will you take for the geese?’ One would think they were the only geese in the world, to hear the fuss that is made over them.”
“Well, I have no connection with any other people who have been making inquiries,” said Holmes carelessly. “If you won’t tell us the bet is off, that is all.But I’m always ready to back my opinion on a matter of fowls,and I have a fiver on it that the bird I ate is country bred.”
“Well, then, you’ve lost your fiver, for it’s town bred,” snapped the salesman.
“It’s nothing of the kind.”
“I say it is.”
“I don’t believe it.”
“D’you think you know more about fowls than I, who have handled them ever since I was a nipper?I tell you, all those birds that went to the Alpha were town bred.”
“You’ll never persuade me to believe that.”
“Will you bet, then?”
“It’s merely taking your money, for I know that I am right. But I’ll have a sovereign on with you, just to teach you not to be obstinate.”
The salesman chuckled grimly. “Bring me the books, Bill,” said he.
The small boy brought round a small thin volume and a great greasy-backed one,laying them out together beneath the hanging lamp.
“Now then, Mr. Cocksure,” said the salesman, “I thought that I was out of geese,but before I finish you’ll find that there is still one left in my shop. You see this little book?”
“Well?”
“That’s the list of the folk from whom I buy. D’you see?Well, then, here on this page are the country folk,and the numbers after their names are where their accounts are in the big ledger. Now, then!You see this other page in red ink?Well, that is a list of my town suppliers. Now, look at that third name. Just read it out to me.”
“Mrs. Oakshott, 117, Brixton Road—249,” read Holmes.
“Quite so. Now turn that up in the ledger.”
Holmes turned to the page indicated. “Here you are, ‘Mrs. Oakshott, 117, Brixton Road, egg and poultry supplier.’”
“Now, then, what’s the last entry?”
“‘December 22nd. Twenty-four geese at 7_s_. 6_d_.’”
“Quite so. There you are. And underneath?”
“‘Sold to Mr. Windigate of the Alpha, at 12_s_.’”
“What have you to say now?”
Sherlock Holmes looked deeply chagrined.He drew a sovereign from his pocket and threw it down upon the slab,turning away with the air of a man whose disgust is too deep for words.A few yards off he stopped under a lamp-post and laughed in the hearty,noiseless fashion which was peculiar to him.
“When you see a man with whiskers of that cut and the ‘Pink ’un’ protruding out of his pocket,you can always draw him by a bet,” said he.“I daresay that if I had put £ 100 down in front of him,that man would not have given me such complete information as was drawn from him by the idea that he was doing me on a wager.Well, Watson, we are, I fancy, nearing the end of our quest,and the only point which remains to be determined is whether we should go on to this Mrs.Oakshott to-night, or whether we should reserve it for to-morrow.It is clear from what that surly fellow said that there are others besides ourselves who are anxious about the matter, and I should—”
His remarks were suddenly cut short by a loud hubbub which broke out from the stall which we had just left.Turning round we saw a little rat-faced fellow standing in the centre of the circle of yellow light which was thrown by the swinging lamp,while Breckinridge, the salesman, framed in the door of his stall,was shaking his fists fiercely at the cringing figure.
“I’ve had enough of you and your geese,” he shouted. “I wish you were all at the devil together.If you come pestering me any more with your silly talk I’ll set the dog at you. You bring Mrs.Oakshott here and I’ll answer her, but what have you to do with it?Did I buy the geese off you?”
“No; but one of them was mine all the same,” whined the little man.
“Well, then, ask Mrs. Oakshott for it.”
“She told me to ask you.”
“Well, you can ask the King of Proosia, for all I care. I’ve had enough of it. Get out of this!” He rushed fiercely forward, and the inquirer flitted away into the darkness.
“Ha!this may save us a visit to Brixton Road,” whispered Holmes. “Come with me,and we will see what is to be made of this fellow.” Striding through the scattered knots of people who lounged round the flaring stalls,my companion speedily overtook the little man and touched him upon the shoulder. He sprang round,and I could see in the gas-light that every vestige of colour had been driven from his face.
“Who are you, then?What do you want?” he asked in a quavering voice.
“You will excuse me,” said Holmes blandly,“but I could not help overhearing the questions which you put to the salesman just now.I think that I could be of assistance to you.”
“You?Who are you?How could you know anything of the matter?”
“My name is Sherlock Holmes. It is my business to know what other people don’t know.”
“But you can know nothing of this?”
“Excuse me, I know everything of it. You are endeavouring to trace some geese which were sold by Mrs.Oakshott, of Brixton Road, to a salesman named Breckinridge, by him in turn to Mr. Windigate,of the Alpha, and by him to his club, of which Mr. Henry Baker is a member.”
“Oh, sir, you are the very man whom I have longed to meet,” cried the little fellow with outstretched hands and quivering fingers.“I can hardly explain to you how interested I am in this matter.”
Sherlock Holmes hailed a four-wheeler which was passing.“In that case we had better discuss it in a cosy room rather than in this wind-swept market-place,” said he. “But pray tell me, before we go farther, who it is that I have the pleasure of assisting. ”
The man hesitated for an instant. “My name is John Robinson,” he answered with a sidelong glance.
“No, no; the real name,” said Holmes sweetly. “It is always awkward doing business with an alias.”
A flush sprang to the white cheeks of the stranger. “Well then,” said he, “my real name is James Ryder.”
“Precisely so. Head attendant at the Hotel Cosmopolitan. Pray step into the cab,and I shall soon be able to tell you everything which you would wish to know.”
The little man stood glancing from one to the other of us with half-frightened, half-hopeful eyes,as one who is not sure whether he is on the verge of a windfall or of a catastrophe.Then he stepped into the cab, and in half an hour we were back in the sitting-room at Baker Street.Nothing had been said during our drive, but the high, thin breathing of our new companion,and the claspings and unclaspings of his hands, spoke of the nervous tension within him.
“Here we are!” said Holmes cheerily as we filed into the room. “The fire looks very seasonable in this weather.You look cold, Mr. Ryder. Pray take the basket-chair.I will just put on my slippers before we settle this little matter of yours. Now, then!You want to know what became of those geese?”
“Yes, sir.”
“Or rather, I fancy, of that goose. It was one bird, I imagine in which you were interested—white, with a black bar across the tail.”
Ryder quivered with emotion. “Oh, sir,” he cried, “can you tell me where it went to?”
“It came here.”
“Here?”
“Yes, and a most remarkable bird it proved. I don’t wonder that you should take an interest in it.It laid an egg after it was dead—the bonniest, brightest little blue egg that ever was seen. I have it here in my museum.”
Our visitor staggered to his feet and clutched the mantelpiece with his right hand.Holmes unlocked his strong-box and held up the blue carbuncle, which shone out like a star,with a cold, brilliant, many-pointed radiance. Ryder stood glaring with a drawn face,uncertain whether to claim or to disown it.
“The game’s up, Ryder,” said Holmes quietly. “Hold up, man, or you’ll be into the fire!Give him an arm back into his chair, Watson.He’s not got blood enough to go in for felony with impunity. Give him a dash of brandy. So!Now he looks a little more human. What a shrimp it is, to be sure!”
For a moment he had staggered and nearly fallen,but the brandy brought a tinge of colour into his cheeks,and he sat staring with frightened eyes at his accuser.
“I have almost every link in my hands, and all the proofs which I could possibly need,so there is little which you need tell me. Still,that little may as well be cleared up to make the case complete. You had heard, Ryder,of this blue stone of the Countess of Morcar’s?”
“It was Catherine Cusack who told me of it,” said he in a crackling voice.
“I see—her ladyship’s waiting-maid. Well,the temptation of sudden wealth so easily acquired was too much for you,as it has been for better men before you; but you were not very scrupulous in the means you used.It seems to me, Ryder, that there is the making of a very pretty villain in you.You knew that this man Horner, the plumber, had been concerned in some such matter before,and that suspicion would rest the more readily upon him. What did you do, then?You made some small job in my lady’s room—you and your confederate Cusack—and you managed that he should be the man sent for.Then, when he had left, you rifled the jewel-case, raised the alarm,and had this unfortunate man arrested. You then—”
Ryder threw himself down suddenly upon the rug and clutched at my companion’s knees. “For God’s sake, have mercy!” he shrieked. “Think of my father!Of my mother!It would break their hearts. I never went wrong before!I never will again. I swear it. I’ll swear it on a Bible. Oh, don’t bring it into court!For Christ’s sake, don’t!”
“Get back into your chair!” said Holmes sternly. “It is very well to cringe and crawl now,but you thought little enough of this poor Horner in the dock for a crime of which he knew nothing. ”
“I will fly, Mr. Holmes. I will leave the country, sir. Then the charge against him will break down. ”
“Hum!We will talk about that. And now let us hear a true account of the next act.How came the stone into the goose, and how came the goose into the open market?Tell us the truth, for there lies your only hope of safety.”
Ryder passed his tongue over his parched lips. “I will tell you it just as it happened, sir,” said he. “When Horner had been arrested,it seemed to me that it would be best for me to get away with the stone at once,for I did not know at what moment the police might not take it into their heads to search me and my room.There was no place about the hotel where it would be safe. I went out, as if on some commission,and I made for my sister’s house. She had married a man named Oakshott, and lived in Brixton Road,where she fattened fowls for the market.All the way there every man I met seemed to me to be a policeman or a detective; and,for all that it was a cold night, the sweat was pouring down my face before I came to the Brixton Road.My sister asked me what was the matter, and why I was so pale;but I told her that I had been upset by the jewel robbery at the hotel.Then I went into the back yard and smoked a pipe and wondered what it would be best to do.
“I had a friend once called Maudsley, who went to the bad,and has just been serving his time in Pentonville. One day he had met me,and fell into talk about the ways of thieves, and how they could get rid of what they stole.I knew that he would be true to me, for I knew one or two things about him;so I made up my mind to go right on to Kilburn, where he lived, and take him into my confidence.He would show me how to turn the stone into money. But how to get to him in safety?I thought of the agonies I had gone through in coming from the hotel.I might at any moment be seized and searched, and there would be the stone in my waistcoat pocket.I was leaning against the wall at the time and looking at the geese which were waddling about round my feet,and suddenly an idea came into my head which showed me how I could beat the best detective that ever lived.
“My sister had told me some weeks before that I might have the pick of her geese for a Christmas present,and I knew that she was always as good as her word. I would take my goose now,and in it I would carry my stone to Kilburn. There was a little shed in the yard,and behind this I drove one of the birds—a fine big one, white, with a barred tail. I caught it,and prying its bill open, I thrust the stone down its throat as far as my finger could reach.The bird gave a gulp, and I felt the stone pass along its gullet and down into its crop.But the creature flapped and struggled, and out came my sister to know what was the matter.As I turned to speak to her the brute broke loose and fluttered off among the others.
“‘Whatever were you doing with that bird, Jem?’ says she.
“‘Well,’ said I, ‘you said you’d give me one for Christmas, and I was feeling which was the fattest. ’
“‘Oh,’ says she, ‘we’ve set yours aside for you—Jem’s bird, we call it.It’s the big white one over yonder. There’s twenty-six of them, which makes one for you,and one for us, and two dozen for the market.’
“‘Thank you, Maggie,’ says I; ‘but if it is all the same to you,I’d rather have that one I was handling just now.’
“‘The other is a good three pound heavier,’ said she, ‘and we fattened it expressly for you.’
“‘Never mind. I’ll have the other, and I’ll take it now,’ said I.
“‘Oh, just as you like,’ said she, a little huffed. ‘Which is it you want, then?’
“‘That white one with the barred tail, right in the middle of the flock.’
“‘Oh, very well. Kill it and take it with you.’
“Well, I did what she said, Mr. Holmes, and I carried the bird all the way to Kilburn.I told my pal what I had done, for he was a man that it was easy to tell a thing like that to.He laughed until he choked, and we got a knife and opened the goose. My heart turned to water,for there was no sign of the stone, and I knew that some terrible mistake had occurred.I left the bird, rushed back to my sister’s, and hurried into the back yard. There was not a bird to be seen there.
“‘Where are they all, Maggie?’ I cried.
“‘Gone to the dealer’s, Jem.’
“‘Which dealer’s?’
“‘Breckinridge, of Covent Garden.’
“‘But was there another with a barred tail?’ I asked, ‘the same as the one I chose?’
“‘Yes, Jem; there were two barred-tailed ones, and I could never tell them apart.’
“Well, then, of course I saw it all, and I ran off as hard as my feet would carry me to this man Breckinridge;but he had sold the lot at once, and not one word would he tell me as to where they had gone.You heard him yourselves to-night. Well, he has always answered me like that.My sister thinks that I am going mad. Sometimes I think that I am myself.And now—and now I am myself a branded thief,without ever having touched the wealth for which I sold my character. God help me!God help me!” He burst into convulsive sobbing, with his face buried in his hands.
There was a long silence, broken only by his heavy breathing and by the measured tapping of Sherlock Holmes’ finger-tips upon the edge of the table.Then my friend rose and threw open the door.
“Get out!” said he.
“What, sir!Oh, Heaven bless you!”
“No more words. Get out!”
And no more words were needed. There was a rush, a clatter upon the stairs, the bang of a door,and the crisp rattle of running footfalls from the street.
“After all, Watson,” said Holmes, reaching up his hand for his clay pipe,“I am not retained by the police to supply their deficiencies.If Horner were in danger it would be another thing; but this fellow will not appear against him,and the case must collapse. I suppose that I am commuting a felony,but it is just possible that I am saving a soul. This fellow will not go wrong again;he is too terribly frightened. Send him to gaol now, and you make him a gaol-bird for life.Besides, it is the season of forgiveness.Chance has put in our way a most singular and whimsical problem,and its solution is its own reward. If you will have the goodness to touch the bell, Doctor,we will begin another investigation, in which, also a bird will be the chief feature.”
VIII. THE ADVENTURE OF THE SPECKLED BAND
On glancing over my notes of the seventy odd cases in which I have during the last eight years studied the methods of my friend Sherlock Holmes,I find many tragic, some comic, a large number merely strange, but none commonplace; for,working as he did rather for the love of his art than for the acquirement of wealth,he refused to associate himself with any investigation which did not tend towards the unusual,and even the fantastic. Of all these varied cases, however,I cannot recall any which presented more singular features than that which was associated with the well-known Surrey family of the Roylotts of Stoke Moran.The events in question occurred in the early days of my association with Holmes,when we were sharing rooms as bachelors in Baker Street.It is possible that I might have placed them upon record before,but a promise of secrecy was made at the time,from which I have only been freed during the last month by the untimely death of the lady to whom the pledge was given.It is perhaps as well that the facts should now come to light,for I have reasons to know that there are widespread rumours as to the death of Dr.Grimesby Roylott which tend to make the matter even more terrible than the truth.
It was early in April in the year ’83 that I woke one morning to find Sherlock Holmes standing,fully dressed, by the side of my bed. He was a late riser, as a rule,and as the clock on the mantelpiece showed me that it was only a quarter-past seven,I blinked up at him in some surprise, and perhaps just a little resentment, for I was myself regular in my habits.
“Very sorry to knock you up, Watson,” said he, “but it’s the common lot this morning. Mrs.Hudson has been knocked up, she retorted upon me, and I on you.”
“What is it, then—a fire?”
“No; a client. It seems that a young lady has arrived in a considerable state of excitement,who insists upon seeing me. She is waiting now in the sitting-room. Now,when young ladies wander about the metropolis at this hour of the morning,and knock sleepy people up out of their beds,I presume that it is something very pressing which they have to communicate.Should it prove to be an interesting case, you would, I am sure, wish to follow it from the outset.I thought, at any rate, that I should call you and give you the chance.”
“My dear fellow, I would not miss it for anything.”
I had no keener pleasure than in following Holmes in his professional investigations,and in admiring the rapid deductions, as swift as intuitions,and yet always founded on a logical basis with which he unravelled the problems which were submitted to him.I rapidly threw on my clothes and was ready in a few minutes to accompany my friend down to the sitting-room.A lady dressed in black and heavily veiled, who had been sitting in the window, rose as we entered.
“Good-morning, madam,” said Holmes cheerily. “My name is Sherlock Holmes.This is my intimate friend and associate, Dr. Watson,before whom you can speak as freely as before myself. Ha!I am glad to see that Mrs. Hudson has had the good sense to light the fire. Pray draw up to it,and I shall order you a cup of hot coffee, for I observe that you are shivering.”
“It is not cold which makes me shiver,” said the woman in a low voice, changing her seat as requested.
“What, then?”
“It is fear, Mr. Holmes. It is terror.” She raised her veil as she spoke,and we could see that she was indeed in a pitiable state of agitation, her face all drawn and grey,with restless frightened eyes, like those of some hunted animal.Her features and figure were those of a woman of thirty, but her hair was shot with premature grey,and her expression was weary and haggard. Sherlock Holmes ran her over with one of his quick, all-comprehensive glances.
“You must not fear,” said he soothingly, bending forward and patting her forearm.“We shall soon set matters right, I have no doubt. You have come in by train this morning, I see.”
“You know me, then?”
“No, but I observe the second half of a return ticket in the palm of your left glove.You must have started early, and yet you had a good drive in a dog-cart, along heavy roads, before you reached the station.”
The lady gave a violent start and stared in bewilderment at my companion.
“There is no mystery, my dear madam,” said he, smiling.“The left arm of your jacket is spattered with mud in no less than seven places.The marks are perfectly fresh. There is no vehicle save a dog-cart which throws up mud in that way,and then only when you sit on the left-hand side of the driver.”
“Whatever your reasons may be, you are perfectly correct,” said she.“I started from home before six, reached Leatherhead at twenty past,and came in by the first train to Waterloo. Sir, I can stand this strain no longer;I shall go mad if it continues. I have no one to turn to—none, save only one, who cares for me,and he, poor fellow, can be of little aid. I have heard of you, Mr. Holmes;I have heard of you from Mrs. Farintosh, whom you helped in the hour of her sore need.It was from her that I had your address. Oh, sir, do you not think that you could help me, too,and at least throw a little light through the dense darkness which surrounds me?At present it is out of my power to reward you for your services,but in a month or six weeks I shall be married, with the control of my own income,and then at least you shall not find me ungrateful.”
Holmes turned to his desk and, unlocking it, drew out a small case-book, which he consulted.
“Farintosh,” said he. “Ah yes, I recall the case; it was concerned with an opal tiara.I think it was before your time, Watson. I can only say, madam,that I shall be happy to devote the same care to your case as I did to that of your friend.As to reward, my profession is its own reward;but you are at liberty to defray whatever expenses I may be put to,at the time which suits you best. And now I beg that you will lay before us everything that may help us in forming an opinion upon the matter. ”
“Alas!” replied our visitor, “the very horror of my situation lies in the fact that my fears are so vague,and my suspicions depend so entirely upon small points, which might seem trivial to another,that even he to whom of all others I have a right to look for help and advice looks upon all that I tell him about it as the fancies of a nervous woman.He does not say so, but I can read it from his soothing answers and averted eyes. But I have heard,Mr. Holmes, that you can see deeply into the manifold wickedness of the human heart.You may advise me how to walk amid the dangers which encompass me.”
“I am all attention, madam.”
“My name is Helen Stoner, and I am living with my stepfather,who is the last survivor of one of the oldest Saxon families in England,the Roylotts of Stoke Moran, on the western border of Surrey.”
Holmes nodded his head. “The name is familiar to me,” said he.
“The family was at one time among the richest in England,and the estates extended over the borders into Berkshire in the north, and Hampshire in the west.In the last century, however, four successive heirs were of a dissolute and wasteful disposition,and the family ruin was eventually completed by a gambler in the days of the Regency.Nothing was left save a few acres of ground, and the two-hundred-year-old house,which is itself crushed under a heavy mortgage. The last squire dragged out his existence there,living the horrible life of an aristocratic pauper; but his only son, my stepfather,seeing that he must adapt himself to the new conditions, obtained an advance from a relative,which enabled him to take a medical degree and went out to Calcutta, where,by his professional skill and his force of character, he established a large practice.In a fit of anger, however, caused by some robberies which had been perpetrated in the house,he beat his native butler to death and narrowly escaped a capital sentence. As it was,he suffered a long term of imprisonment and afterwards returned to England a morose and disappointed man.
“When Dr. Roylott was in India he married my mother, Mrs. Stoner,the young widow of Major-General Stoner, of the Bengal Artillery. My sister Julia and I were twins,and we were only two years old at the time of my mother’s re-marriage.She had a considerable sum of money—not less than £ 1000 a year—and this she bequeathed to Dr.Roylott entirely while we resided with him,with a provision that a certain annual sum should be allowed to each of us in the event of our marriage.Shortly after our return to England my mother died—she was killed eight years ago in a railway accident near Crewe.Dr. Roylott then abandoned his attempts to establish himself in practice in London and took us to live with him in the old ancestral house at Stoke Moran.The money which my mother had left was enough for all our wants,and there seemed to be no obstacle to our happiness.
“But a terrible change came over our stepfather about this time.Instead of making friends and exchanging visits with our neighbours,who had at first been overjoyed to see a Roylott of Stoke Moran back in the old family seat,he shut himself up in his house and seldom came out save to indulge in ferocious quarrels with whoever might cross his path.Violence of temper approaching to mania has been hereditary in the men of the family,and in my stepfather’s case it had, I believe,been intensified by his long residence in the tropics. A series of disgraceful brawls took place,two of which ended in the police-court, until at last he became the terror of the village,and the folks would fly at his approach, for he is a man of immense strength,and absolutely uncontrollable in his anger.
“Last week he hurled the local blacksmith over a parapet into a stream,and it was only by paying over all the money which I could gather together that I was able to avert another public exposure.He had no friends at all save the wandering gipsies,and he would give these vagabonds leave to encamp upon the few acres of bramble-covered land which represent the family estate,and would accept in return the hospitality of their tents,wandering away with them sometimes for weeks on end. He has a passion also for Indian animals,which are sent over to him by a correspondent, and he has at this moment a cheetah and a baboon,which wander freely over his grounds and are feared by the villagers almost as much as their master.
“You can imagine from what I say that my poor sister Julia and I had no great pleasure in our lives.No servant would stay with us, and for a long time we did all the work of the house.She was but thirty at the time of her death, and yet her hair had already begun to whiten, even as mine has.”
“Your sister is dead, then?”
“She died just two years ago, and it is of her death that I wish to speak to you.You can understand that, living the life which I have described,we were little likely to see anyone of our own age and position. We had, however, an aunt,my mother’s maiden sister, Miss Honoria Westphail, who lives near Harrow,and we were occasionally allowed to pay short visits at this lady’s house.Julia went there at Christmas two years ago, and met there a half-pay major of marines,to whom she became engaged. My stepfather learned of the engagement when my sister returned and offered no objection to the marriage;but within a fortnight of the day which had been fixed for the wedding,the terrible event occurred which has deprived me of my only companion.”
Sherlock Holmes had been leaning back in his chair with his eyes closed and his head sunk in a cushion,but he half opened his lids now and glanced across at his visitor.
“Pray be precise as to details,” said he.